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Viper or Corvette
Viper 54%  54%  [ 21 ]
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You would never guess that I write comedy screenplays, would you?


jesus it's like 5 am here. what are you doing up so early?


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Yeah, I gotta get to bed. Up late, not early.

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laters.


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That's the point of posting on an internet forum. :P


yeah, I'm glad no one noticed yet that I'm Michael Schumacher's less famous brother Ralf Schumacher.


Comedy screenplay writer? I dont know if that's true but that would be SWEET as hell. you arent working for Seth Mcfarlane are you? :lol:

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No writing is not my day job, just one of my hobbies. Like loving cars.
I'm sure that it's no surprise to anyone here that I'm an engineer by trade.

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No writing is not my day job, just one of my hobbies. Like loving cars.


I tried that once but in the end I had two law suits and one hell of a burn. Last time I try that with a Viper.
- Do you have any info on any of those screen plays? I'd like to check them out.


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Made me smile. :D I don't love cars that much. ;)

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Honestly I can see you writing comical screen plays. Even if you're not joking around often... It takes a whole lot more than just being funny, I bet.


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8 second viper:

http://thatvideosite.com/video/5301

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Hmm... Do you know where a modification list would be? It would be less interesting if the one trace of Viper was in the body.


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well, for a 8 second car there has to be changed quite a lot. I'll check heffner's page.

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well, for a 8 second car there has to be changed quite a lot. I'll check heffner's page.


Sure. But lets hope not to the extent of a Sir Hiss. Then it wouldn't be an 9 second Viper. It'd be a 9 second mutant.


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1996-2002 Viper GTS/RT-10 Stage 3 Twin Turbo System:

1400-1900hp 1400-1900lbs of torque

System Contents:
- Twin Ball Bearing 72mm or 76mm Turbos
- 1 3/4" Stainless Steel Turbo Headers
- 2 3" Turbo Downpipes
- Two Tial 46mm Turbo Wastegates
- Two Tial 50mm Blow Off Valves
- Mandrel Bent High Flow Intercooler Plumbing
- Polished Stainless Steel Throttle Body Plumbing
- High Flow Front Mount Air to Air Intercooler
- "T" Style Turbo Discharge Clamps
- High Pressure Intercooler Plumbing Connectors
- Heavy Duty Engine Mounts
- Turbo Oil Feed Lines and Fittings
- Turbo Oil Drain Lines and Fittings
- Speed Based Programmable Boost Controller
- High Temperature Silicone Wastegate Control Lines
- All Necessary Vacuum Tees and Hoses
- High Flow Turbo Inlet Plumbing
- Dual High Flow K&N Air Filters
- High Flow Fuel Rails
- High Flow 96 Lb.Hr. Fuel Injectors
- Upgraded Fuel Injector Conectors
- Colder Heat Range Spark Plugs
- Custom Made Aluminum Turbo Heat Shields
- Crankcase Breather Tank
- Crankcase Breather Lines and Fittings
- High Flow 1500 Hp External Fuel Pump
- High Flow External Fuel Filter
- Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator
- Underhood Fuel Pressure Gauge
- Upgraded Fuel Feed and Return Lines
- Rubber Fuel Pump Mounts For Quiet Operation
- Aluminum Fuel Fittings
- Fuel Pump Relay and Wiring
- Engine Oil
- Engine Oil Filter
- Antifreeze
- Professional Installation and Chassis Dyno Tuning
- AEM Engine Management System
- AEM InjectorDriver Box

Engine Work:
- 510 Cubic Inch Stroker Engine
- Custom Forged Aluminum Dished 8.5:1 Compression Pistons
- Heavy Duty Wrist Pins
- Childs & Albert High Performance Piston Rings
- Clevite "H" Series Connecting Rod Bearings
- MOPAR Main Bearings
- 6.200" Billet Steel Connecting Rods
- Offset Grinding and Polishing of Crankshaft
- Line Hone Inspected and Machined as Necessary
- Balancing of Rotating Assembly
- Boring and Honing of Engine Block
- Custom Ground Hydraulic Roller Camshaft
- High Performance Hydraulic Roller Lifters
- Ported Cylinder Head Upgrade
- Ported and Polished Intake and Exhaust Runners
- Polished Combustion Chambers
- Bronze Valve Guides
- Teflon Valve Seals
- Three Angle Competition Valve Job
- Heavy Duty Valve Springs
- Titanium Valve Retainers
- 2.02" Stainless Steel Intake Valves
- 1.60" Stainless Steel Exhaust Valves
- T&D 1.7 Ratio Shaft Mounted Roller Rockers
- High Performance .080" Thick Chromoly Pushrods
- Billet Steel Main Caps
- ARP Main Studs, Nuts & Washers
- ARP Head Studs
- Extrude Honed Intake Manifold
- Billet Aluminum 70mm Throttle Bodies
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it looks like except for the massive engine mods and tyres everything's stock, maybe some trannie mods too.

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It's pretty standard now to be able to tune Vipers to run high 8s, low 9s with just a built engine and twin turbos.
Here's one that's a little more modified running high 7s.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/a0245981-c47d-4ce1-a80e-1577cbef9dfb.htm

For writing screenplays, the trick (beyond story and characters of course) is proper formatting.
We have a nice software package that puts everything in the correct format, but you still need to read a LOT of screenplays and take some classes to get a good feel for writing believable dialog, continuity, creating likable characters, and simply making an enjoyable, memorable and compelling story.

Oh yeah, and it should hopefully make people smile and laugh too, being a comedy. ;)

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Yeah, most people that just start and write something out of the blue end up with the typical porn-dialoges...

"Where's the problem."
"It's the boiler."
"Hmmm... Why's there hay on the ground?"
"Why do you wear a mask?"
"Well... Then suck my ****."

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I am about to loose assloads of freinds but I am totally recending my pro corvette vote for the same reason i am totally not a devoute fan of the new GT-500 which is the fact Chevy saved a buck by not go all out on the C6's rear suspension.The viper uses coil overs while the Corvette uses those funky composite leaf springs which in the Corvette manifesto article trouble-maker Tom posted says the afore mentioned leaf springs cause the Corvette's rear end to be have like a rigid axle.I am tired of car makes namley detriot saving a buck and while making assholes out of the fans of their performance cars.Furher more in the june 07 motor trend with the best handling car in the world the corvette Z06 Placed 9th behind the mazda speed 3 and just hair ahead of the civic.I refuse to stand behind a car that has major performance defects.Chevy blew assloads on the new aluminum frame carbon fibre fenders hood and the magniesium engine cradle why the hell cant Chevy blow another 1500 bucks for coiler overs.

The viper one this one because the Dodge didnt attempt to save a buck the rear ward weight biased and the better rear end make it superior on a track.If the SS still has the damned leaf springs i loose all respect for the Corvette.

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The composite leaf springs are more expensive then coilovers.

They also help reduce weight, increase longevity, and lower the center of gravity.

They only thing they don't do very well, is offer a soft luxurious ride and they aren't fully adjustable, in the way that adjustable coilovers are.

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The composite leaf springs are more expensive then coilovers.

They also help reduce weight, increase longevity, and lower the center of gravity.

They only thing they don't do very well, is offer a soft luxurious ride and they aren't fully adjustable, in the way that adjustable coilovers are.



The Corvette has never been about opulent luxury so no loss there.My main concern is that they comprimise track performance which to a sports cars is more important the drag strip.It's like saying that freakish 1100hp nova from hotrod is better than a Veyron because it did the quarter in the 9s.Nothing worse than thinking you or your favorite performance car lost the battle before it the battle even started.

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Wether it's pushrods, front engine placement or leaf springs, the proof is in the car's performance on the track. The Z06 has nothing to fear from rear engine or rear-mid-engine, or coilover, or OHC designs. It could use swapping out the runflat tires, but most everything else has been dialed in extremely well.

The Corvette's leaf spring design has many advantages over other suspension designs, and it's not designed for drag strip racing.

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Something i am curious about is how 7.0 liter(all aluminum)500hp Hemi would work in a Viper.The 8 should wiegh less than the 10 and thus the weight distrubution would be more rewardly oriented that it all ready is.
Maybe dodge in a few years will do it as concept car joke stick a hemi in a viper and Viper 10 in a challenger.I'd think it would be cool


Mopar engine swaps FTMFW!
I'll go from a Porsche fan to a Dodge follower if Cerberus puts a Hemi V8 in a Viper.

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You know, seeing a Viper that is more on the Corvette Z51's level would be interesting.

Although I think the Viper chassis and brakes make up for more of the Viper's $90grand MSRP then the engine does.

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$83,000 grand.... There's a lot you can do with $7,000.

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$84,000 grand.... There's a lot more you can do with $20,000 dollars.

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Wait until your beloved ZR-1 comes out. We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if it was $100,000 plus. Then I'll be saying the same thing. ;)

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Golden_959 wrote:
Downshifter wrote:
Something i am curious about is how 7.0 liter(all aluminum)500hp Hemi would work in a Viper.The 8 should wiegh less than the 10 and thus the weight distrubution would be more rewardly oriented that it all ready is.
Maybe dodge in a few years will do it as concept car joke stick a hemi in a viper and Viper 10 in a challenger.I'd think it would be cool


Mopar engine swaps FTMFW!
I'll go from a Porsche fan to a Dodge follower if Cerberus puts a Hemi V8 in a Viper.


One of the most appealing points about the Viper is that it's exclusive and special. The Viper needs to have a V10, plain and simple.
The next option on the Viper should be the American Club Racer version with 700HP and 200lbs lighter weight to compete against the ZR1 and Europe's best.

Having a V8 engine is similar to putting a 350HP V6 into a F430 to save $10K. :?

The Viper has a rear biased weight balance of 49/51%, so the V8 isn't going to help there.

Upmarket is a better place for the Viper to go that downmarket.
At this level price is not a huge factor considering that the 997 GT3 is $110K. The Viper is advantageously priced now, offering Lamborghini LP640 performance. :cool:


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Wait until your beloved ZR-1 comes out. We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if it was $100,000 plus. Then I'll be saying the same thing. ;)

I suppose. I wish the Viper and Vette were more closely priced so we wouldn't need to have these debates. I mean, you can put $50,000 into an old used C5 or GTS and kick the asses of both the Z06 and SRT10 on the track.

Of course, you would have to sacrifice a few things, like comfort and reliablity.

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Wait until your beloved ZR-1 comes out. We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if it was $100,000 plus. Then I'll be saying the same thing. ;)

I suppose. I wish the Viper and Vette were more closely priced so we wouldn't need to have these debates. I mean, you can put $50,000 into an old used C5 or GTS and kick the asses of both the Z06 and SRT10 on the track.
That I will forever agree with you on.

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Having a V8 engine is similar to putting a 350HP V6 into a F430 to save $10K. :?

The Viper has a rear biased weight balance of 49/51%, so the V8 isn't going to help there.

Upmarket is a better place for the Viper to go that downmarket.
At this level price is not a huge factor considering that the 997 GT3 is $110K. The Viper is advantageously priced now, offering Lamborghini LP640 performance. :cool:


Ok, I'll agree that the V10 helps make the Viper special. I didn't know that a FR car like the Viper actually had a 49/51% weight balance, interesting. :?

But, I'd call a F430 with a 350hp V6 a good starting point for a Dino.

As for the Viper's performance for its price, you can't beat that with a stick. But then again, there got be a reason people still buy the LP640 or GT3.

Anyway, I take back what I said about going from Porsche fan to Dodge fan. I still love the 959.

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Ferrari shot down the idea of a new V6 Dino, and I don't think that they would threaten Ferrari's market or reputation by building a cheaper model.

The concept of new cars versus modded used cars will always be out there. Personally I have a hard time being able to justify the extra cost of getting a new model for it's own sake (to be new).

But for comparison's sake, it's best to compare new cars only to other new cars.

Lastly, there is nothing wrong with loving the Porsche 959. It was a historically vital part of Porrsche history. :D

Personally I'd rather own a new 997TT instead of the 959 simply because Porsche has done such a great job evolving the 911's design, making it both easier to drive fast, and more affordable, given the car's performance capabilities. :cool:


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$84,000 grand.... There's a lot more you can do with $20,000 dollars.


Exactly... And what did Chevy do with another $20,000 on top of that? Shows what bargain the Vette has been all this time, really... Ha...... Haha... HAHAHAHAHAHA!


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